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@pauljpastor end/ As for ‘waiting’? Augustine: “What then is time? If nobody asks me, I know; if I want to explain it to someone who asks, I don’t know", where Agamben, a contemporary leader among Gentiles drawing on Jewish sources, speaks emphatically of "living the penultimate things."

Translator’s introduction to Agamben’s ‘Church and the Kingdom’.

What is messianic in Benjamin's conception of messianic time, as in Paul before him and Agamben after him, is not what is to come but what is already here. Messianic time rejects a historical dialectic of progress and its logic of deferral; it rejects the positing of the completion of a historical task in an indeterminate future. To many, ‘messianic time’ suggests waiting for the Messiah to come, redeem mankind and complete human history…For Agamben, however, messianic time means, as it did for Ben-jamin, the very opposite of such waiting, and for this reason he places his focus not on the ultimate but on the penultimate. In ‘The Church and the Kingdom’ he thus speaks of ‘a transformation of the experience of the penultimate’, and elsewhere remarks that, “given that messianic time is not another sort of chronological time, living the last things, the ultimate things, means, above all, living the penultimate things."
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Translator’s introduction to Agamben’s ‘Church and the Kingdom’. What is messianic in Benjamin's conception of messianic time, as in Paul before him and Agamben after him, is not what is to come but what is already here. Messianic time rejects a historical dialectic of progress and its logic of deferral; it rejects the positing of the completion of a historical task in an indeterminate future. To many, ‘messianic time’ suggests waiting for the Messiah to come, redeem mankind and complete human history…For Agamben, however, messianic time means, as it did for Ben-jamin, the very opposite of such waiting, and for this reason he places his focus not on the ultimate but on the penultimate. In ‘The Church and the Kingdom’ he thus speaks of ‘a transformation of the experience of the penultimate’, and elsewhere remarks that, “given that messianic time is not another sort of chronological time, living the last things, the ultimate things, means, above all, living the penultimate things."

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Nick Routledge@nick_routledge · 29 Nov 2023

@jdj_writes Curious to what degree you perceive concrete reality as the covenantal realm in which the irruption of a 'new temporality' comes to ground - the interruptive mercy of a messianic ontology yoking the architecture of redemptive time to wholesale, planetary political transformation?

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end/ ...where Agamben describes “a breakthrough into, not out of, concrete history”; Keller, "a temporality that cannot be controlled and corralled by any institution"; and Moltmann, "neither the future of time, nor timeless eternity...the transcendent breaking-in of eternity".
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Copy of tweet herre: end/ ...where Agamben describes “a breakthrough into, not out of, concrete history”; Keller, "a temporality that cannot be controlled and corralled by any institution"; and Moltmann, "neither the future of time, nor timeless eternity...the transcendent breaking-in of eternity".

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Quoted by7\ Kafka’s paradox? The Messiah comes “when no longer necessary”? After unveiling, when penultimacy no longer needs a singular bearer, mediation gives way to immediacy, the singular office gives way to a shared participation, many bearing the pattern once concentrated in one.Quoted by@AimeTim Panikkar’s “tempiternal explosion of the adventure of Being,” this, the sunburst of the messianic, the transition from a conception of time that is not empty and mechanical, but that is full, intensive, and redemptive. The temporal-eternal cleft, bridged.Quoted by@ceisenstein I note little in the way of timely alert and promotion for the live link here, on Twitter, nor any record of it. Any chance you could include us here, also, next time, dear soul? The 5th most visited website in the world certainly needs your voice. Twitter, holy too. Much love.