Nick Routledge@nick_routledge
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@lukeburgis That second page, the cosmic elephant in the room. And yet, religious/spiritual culture is itself often no less estranged from experience or recognition of the unequivocally supernatural intelligence, power, presence and telos of the Living God, than its most cynical deprecators.

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Nick Routledge@nick_routledge · 7 Dec 2024

@johnmilbank3 His 2014 announcement doubting the existence of God? Keating: "The notion that God is absent is the fundamental illusion of the human condition." What is faith alive after all, other than an ontic threshold delineated by passing over from God-belief into God-experience itself.

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...Faith, that is, not as a ‘label’ commonly referring to the forms, concepts and rationalizations of
religious and materialist logic and, as such, caricatures of reality co-existent with, say, fallacies of certitude; rather, as an experiential threshold accessing the surge of a supra-personal mystery, intelligence, telos, power and portal. And this, in the context of, for example, Seyedd Hossein Nasr's: "The empirical epistemology which has dominated the horizon of Western man in the modern period, has succeeded in removing the concept of “reality” as a category pertaining to God. The consequence of this change in the very meaning of reality has been nothing less than catastrophic, reducing God and in fact all spiritual realms of being to the category of the abstract and finally to the unreal’, and quantum physicist, David Bohm: "Take a coherent approach to reality and reality takes a coherent approach to you"
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Excerpt from Facebook post: ...Faith, that is, not as a ‘label’ commonly referring to the forms, concepts and rationalizations of religious and materialist logic and, as such, caricatures of reality co-existent with, say, fallacies of certitude; rather, as an experiential threshold accessing the surge of a supra-personal mystery, intelligence, telos, power and portal. And this, in the context of, for example, Seyedd Hossein Nasr's: "The empirical epistemology which has dominated the horizon of Western man in the modern period, has succeeded in removing the concept of “reality” as a category pertaining to God. The consequence of this change in the very meaning of reality has been nothing less than catastrophic, reducing God and in fact all spiritual realms of being to the category of the abstract and finally to the unreal’, and quantum physicist, David Bohm: "Take a coherent approach to reality and reality takes a coherent approach to you"

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Quoted by@EsmeLKPartridge Striking a trans-cultural, planetarian as distinct from singularly Christian note, we might say the distinction ultimately falls into irrelevancy or, in a positive dialectic, dissolves in God—that is, God-experience. Rumi: "When you look for God, God is in the look in your eyes."Quoted by@TGrudi @jonmsweeney @josephnollasj Sinclair: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it.” Hence faith lives for the poor as it cannot for those sustained by certainties landing, in effect, as a form of embodied atheism. How we get there is where we arrive.Quoted by@lukeburgis Well, that's the joyless for you, isn't it? Bloch identified Christian cultural denial of the supernatural immediacy and power of the Living God among us, here and now, as, in effect, functional atheism. Niffari, in précis: "Why do you look for God up there? He’s here! Here!"