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@Dan_Bowdoin 1/ I'm shocked by the text's first words (Bonhoeffer: "Honesty demands that we recognize that we must live in the world as if there were no God.") in the face of a transcendence immediately, totally, fully and indivisibly present and accessible here, now.

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3/ Naturally, “the intimate link between Creation and Incarnation revealed” is a concrete, place-based experience of overwhelming co-evolutionary and, yup, clergical consequence. What nature then, the Indigenous Christ alive? Here, Kabir, revered by Hindu, Moslem and Sikh, alike.
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"The Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth" construct? Kabir (loathed by clerics of his era: but now interspirtually revered) referred to "the throwing of intensity forward,"  a universal salvationist fantasy which religions of status quo remain only too willing to encourage.
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Copy of tweet and quote tweet here: and 3/ Naturally, “the intimate link between Creation and Incarnation revealed” is a concrete, place-based experience of overwhelming co-evolutionary and, yup, clergical consequence. What nature then, the Indigenous Christ alive? Here, Kabir, revered by Hindu, Moslem and Sikh, alike. Quote Nick Routledge "The Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth" construct? Kabir (loathed by clerics of his era: but now interspirtually revered) referred to "the throwing of intensity forward," a universal salvationist fantasy which religions of status quo remain only too willing to encourage.

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Nick Routledge@nick_routledge · 2 Sept 2023

@BrianZahnd Indeed, I'd aver Schleiermacher's 'cultured despisers' of religion describes 'religious' as much as 'non-religious' dismissal of Reality as fully, supernaturally here. Incarnation, a participatory threshold defined by passing over from God-belief into God-experience itself, then?

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Christians who somehow manage to reconcile their faith with the sort of complacent, sneering scientism one would normally expect of a strident atheist or secular humanist are very puzzling.

I had in mind smug dismissals of notions of enchantment (or, in a Barfieldian register, original participation). There's something genuinely bizarre about being at once a Christian and someone who thinks a participatory ontology is woo woo.
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Excerpt from tweet thread: Aṭṭār Christians who somehow manage to reconcile their faith with the sort of complacent, sneering scientism one would normally expect of a strident atheist or secular humanist are very puzzling. I had in mind smug dismissals of notions of enchantment (or, in a Barfieldian register, original participation). There's something genuinely bizarre about being at once a Christian and someone who thinks a participatory ontology is woo woo.

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Quoted byRT @nick_routledge: @Plough @myleswerntz 1/ "Some insist that Jesus meant for us to live out these teachings fully now; others argue that this will only be possible when he returns." To dyadic basics, then? Panikkar: "The ultimate basis for the method will have to be the very reality which the method helps to disclose."Quoted by@Plough @myleswerntz 1/ "Some insist that Jesus meant for us to live out these teachings fully now; others argue that this will only be possible when he returns." To dyadic basics, then? Panikkar: "The ultimate basis for the method will have to be the very reality which the method helps to disclose."